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[经验分享] 皮肤CT在白癜风诊疗中的应用!

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看到论坛中,有人对皮肤CT并不是太认可,简单的给大家做个介绍,不当之处,请多见谅。
皮肤CT是在体反射式共聚焦激光扫描显微镜的俗称, 其可在细胞水平上无创、实时、动态地对皮肤进行成像,在皮肤科用途较广。
目前在白癜风诊疗方面的应用主要如下:

1、白斑的鉴别:通过比较白斑区与周围正常皮肤色素含量的差别来鉴别是否为白癜风,其敏感性和特异性较wood灯为佳。
2、白癜风进展期和稳定期的判别:通过比较周围正常皮肤的色素环,比较皮损区域色素缺失与残留比例等判断该皮损是否为进展期。但这需要很好的经验。
3、白斑复色情况追踪及随访。

目前国内用皮肤CT的医院相对较少,有些专家对其缺乏了解,限制了其临床的应用。
目前国内用的比较好的单位:山东省皮肤病医院,华山医院,中国医大第一附属医院、新疆自治区人民医院、杭州三院、天津长征医院、武汉第一人民医院等。

北京公立医院暂无。民营医院应用有几台,但广告宣传的比较夸张。
总之,皮肤CT是个很好的工具,请各位勿轻易否定,只不过用的好坏取决于操作的人。
本人在皮肤CT的应用方面有点体会,若对这个工具感兴趣,可以私下交流。

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发表于 2011-7-26 06:03:00 | 显示全部楼层
Thanks for introducing "SKIN CT".  I feel you are a professional doctor?

I wiould like to have more chances to discuss with you if is possible.

Thank you very much.

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发表于 2011-7-26 09:49:55 | 显示全部楼层
难怪上次我带孩子找空总的蔡老看病,他对我在武汉一医院做的皮肝CT检查报告很关心,又是拍照,又是记录,好像当教学一样,反而对我孩子的病情没有多看。

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发表于 2011-7-26 21:50:27 | 显示全部楼层
好像是在说我吧

我们医院没有这种设备,我也没有操作过。但在工作中多次碰到在其他地方使用皮肤CT误诊的情况,将无色素痣、贫血痣、白色糠疹经皮肤CT检查后报告为白癜的,私立医院较多,也有公立医院的,虽然有一叶障目之嫌,但上述情况使我对这个设备在白癜风诊断上的价值有保留。

皮肤的共聚焦显微镜(confocal laser scanning microscopy)的历史很久了,这两年好像才热起来了,开会时听人讲到过皮肤CT,也看过厂家的介绍材料,我们科曾经也有想引进的想法,因为后来多次碰到上面提到的情况,加上我是学传统皮肤病理出身的,皮肤病理最终还需要传统的病理切片才能出病理诊断报告,意义不是特别大,后来就放弃了引进的想法。也查看过相关的资料,这个主要是辅助检查皮肤肿瘤的,比如黑素瘤、基底细胞癌、鳞癌等,可以无创检查肿瘤侵润深度、范围以及良恶性的辅助判断等,优势在于无创,但不能代替传统的皮肤病理检查。用在色素病的辅助检查文献也看过,比如讲白癜风和无色素痣在共聚焦显微镜下区别的,尚处在探讨节段,依靠这个确诊白癜风好像还不够。

白癜风是比较好诊断但治疗困难的皮肤病,肉眼观察+病史基本上就可以确诊,可疑部位辅以伍德灯就是,极个别难以诊断的通过一般时间的观察看其是否扩散也能明确,实在疑难还可以使用传统的免疫病理来确诊,我不了解共聚焦显微镜在BB诊断上的意义,个人觉得共聚焦显微镜的主要作用在于皮肤肿瘤的辅助检查上。

教科书像新版的Bologia皮肤病学提到的白癜风和其它色素减退病的诊断主要还是靠临床表现、病史和伍德灯;Mekee的皮肤病理学与临床的联系、lever的皮肤病理学皆未提到共聚焦显微镜(CLSM)。在PUBMED上能检索到不少文献,主要是肿瘤诊断方面的,色素病的也有,尚没有明确的说法。国内华山医院在新近的Int J Dermatol(2011 Jun)(见下),上有关于无色素痣和白癜风在CSM下的观察文章,有辅助诊断作用,但我尚未看到全文;杭州三院在2010年的Lasers Med Sci上有关于CLSM在白癜风、无色素痣、炎症后色减的观察文章,也没有那么肯定能靠这个确诊的说法。

个人认为CLSM就像伍德灯一样只是一种辅助检查手段,用的好时有辅助效果,单纯靠这个确诊有些勉强,当然我没有使用CLSM的经验,对其看法是个人意见,不一定对。

刘博士若有这方面的经验欢迎提供一下,让我学习一下。

在PUBMED新检索了一下CLSM,连同以前的看过的一些相关文献列一下,我没有搞过CLSM,估计不全,但能看个大概情况,不全的你补充一下。

杭三院的:
Lasers Med Sci. 2010 Jul;25(4):551-8.
In vivo confocal laser scanning microscopy of hypopigmented macules: a preliminary comparison of confocal images in vitiligo, nevus depigmentosus and postinflammatory hypopigmentation. Xiang W, Xu A, Xu J, Bi Z, Shang Y, Ren Q.
Department of Dermatology, Third Hospital of Hangzhou, Hangzhou, 310009,
The use of confocal laser scanning microscopy (CLSM) may be an eligible alternative for confirmation of the diagnosis of hypopigmented macules. Our purpose was to evaluate CLSM features for non-invasive imaging of vitiligo, nevus depigmentosus and postinflammatory hypopigmentation in vivo. A total of 68 patients with a clinical diagnosis of the aforementioned diseases were included in this study. CLSM was performed on lesional and adjacent normal appearing skin for all patients. In the active and stable phases of vitiligo, CLSM dem**trated a complete loss of melanin in lesional skin in 14 of 25 patients (56.0%) and 16 of 20 patients (80.0%), respectively. In 11 of 25 (44.0%) patients, the amount of melanin in lesional skin decreased in the active phase of vitiligo, but it is noteworthy to know that the melanin was distributed homogeneously in the dermal papillary rings. In four of 20 patients (20.0%), the dermal papillary rings disappeared completely, but some refractile granules and dendrites could be seen in the stable phase of vitiligo, which may indicate the start of vitiligo repigmentation. Although, in 20 of 20 patients (100%) with nevus depigmentosus, the dermal papillary rings lost their integrity and the content of melanin decreased obviously, there must have been melanin in the dermal papillary rings during its development in all patients. Simultaneously, the melanin was distributed heterogeneously in the dermal papillary rings. The content of melanin and dermal papillary rings in postinflammatory hypopigmentation probably depend on the depth and site of the inflammation; moreover, melanophages were observed in postinflammatory hypopigmentation but did not exist in vitiligo and nevus depigmentosus. In addition, the content of melanin and dermal papillary rings in adjacent normal appearing skin showed changes in the active phase of vitiligo but showed no changes in any of the patients in the stable phases of vitiligo, nevus depigmentosus and postinflammatory hypopigmentation. Differences based on CLSM in the aforementioned diseases were the content of melanin and its distribution pattern. CLSM may be useful to discriminate vitiligo, postinflammatory hypopigmentation and nevus depigmentosus in a non-invasive fashion.

华山医院的:
Pan ZY, Yan F, Zhang ZH, Zhang QA, Xiang LH, Zheng ZZ. In vivo reflectance confocal microscopy for the differential diagnosis between vitiligo and nevus depigmentosus. Int J Dermatol. 2011 Jun;50(6):740-5
Nevus depigmentosus (ND) is frequently confused with vitiligo. Differential diagnosis can be difficult. In vivo reflectance confocal microscopy (RCM) is a noninvasive technique for real-time en face imaging of the superficial layers of the skin down to the superficial dermis with cellular level resolution close to conventional histopathology. In this study, we tried to use this new technology to study the features of the distribution of pigment cells of these two hypopigmentation disorders and then concluded the differential features.
METHODS:Sixty vitiligo patients and 62 ND patients were enrolled in the study. Three points in each patient (lesional, margin of the lesi** and adjacent non- lesional points) were examined with RCM. The gray value of image was quantified using software, and we calculated the relative gray value.
RESULTS:The RCM image feature was different between vitiligo and ND patients. The differential diagnosis was made based on the following four RCM features: complete absence of pigment cells; the distribution of pigment cells; the margins; and the relative gray value.
CONCLUSION: RCM can be used as an auxiliary diagnostic tool for the differential diagnosis between vitiligo and ND.


Grossman M, Esterowitz D, Webb RH, etal. In vivo confocal scanning laser microscopy of human skin: melanin provides strong contrast. J Invest Dermatol. 1995 Jun;104(6):946-52.
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Confocal scanning laser microscopy of live human skin was performed to investigate the correlation of in vivo cellular and morphologic features to histology, the effect of wavelength on imaging, and the role of melanin as a contrast agent. We built a video-rate confocal scanning laser microscope for in vivo imaging of human skin. Using a 100 x microscope objective, we imaged high-contrast optical "secti**" of normal skin, vitiliginous skin, and a compound nevus. In vivo "confocal histology" correlated well with conventional histology. The maximum imaging depth increased with wavelength: the epidermis was imaged with visible 400-700-nm wavelengths; the superficial papillary dermis and blood cells (erythrocytes and leukocytes) in the deeper capillaries were imaged with the near infrared 800-900-nm wavelengths. For confocal reflectance imaging, melanin provided strong contrast by increased backscattering of light such that the cytoplasm in heavily pigmented cells imaged brightly. In vivo confocal microscopy potentially offers dermatologists a diagnostic tool that is instant and entirely non-invasive compared to conventional histopathology.


Diaconeasa A, Boda D, Neagu M. The role of confocal microscopy in the dermato-oncology practice. J Med Life. 2011 Jan-Mar;4(1):63-74.

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Reflectance-mode confocal microscopy (RCM) is a new in vivo skin imaging technique. We present our one-year experience in RCM examinati** in skin tumors and the retrospective analysis of patients enrolled in the Dermatological Department of 'N. Paulescu' Institute using the Fotofinder Dermoscope II? for the dermatoscopy analysis and VivaScope 1500? for in vivo RCM. We established the rank of RCM in the complex algorithm of skin cancer diagnose, showing that the presented experience can open new possibilities to implement this automated image analyzing system in the routine practice. Our analyzed cases clearly showed that confocal microscopy, therefore, optical biopsy, could guide the clinician towards an accurate diagnosis before surgical removal. Moreover, we emphasized that the development of this technique increases the potential of future teledermatologic  
其它的相关文章:
1. Curiel–Lewandrowski C, Williams CM, Swindells KJ. Frankenthaler RA, Gonzalez S. Use of In Vivo Confocal Microscopy in Malignant Melanoma: an Aid in Diagnosis and Assessment of Surgical and N**urgical Therapeutic Approaches. Arch Dermatol. 2004;140(9):1127–1132.

2. Gerger A, Koller S, Weger W, Richtig E, Kerl H, Samonigg H, Krippl P. Sensitivity and Specificity of Confocal Laser–Scanning Microscopy for In Vivo Diagnosis of Malignant Skin Tumors. Cancer. 2006;107(1):193–200.

3. Rajadhyaksha M, Grossman M, Esterowitz D. In vivo confocal scanning laser microscopy of human skin: melanin provides strong contrast. J Invest Dermatol . 1995;104:946–952. 4

4. A Diaconeasa, D Boda,,M Neagu et al. the role of confocal microscopy in the dermato–oncology practice. J Med Life. 2011 February 15; 4(1): 63–74.

5. Pellacani G. Reflectance–Mode Confocal Microscopy of Pigmented Skin Lesi**–Improvement in Melanoma Diagnostic Specificity . J Am Acad Dermatol. 2005;53(6):979–985.

6. Langley RG, Walsh N, Sutherland AE. The diagnosis accuracy of in vivo confocal scanning laser microscopy compared to dermoscopy of benign and malignant melanocytic lesi**: a prospective study . Dermatology . 2007;215:365–372.

7. Ahlgrimm–Siess V. In vivo confocal scanning laser microscopy of common naevi with globular, homogeneous and reticular pattern in dermoscopy . Br J Dermatol. 2008;158:1000–1007.

8. Nori S. Sensitivity and specificity of reflectance–mode confocal microscopy for in vivo diagnosis of basal cell carcinoma: a multicenter study . J Am Acad Dermatol. 2004;51:923–930.

9. Gonzalez S, Tannous Z. Real–time, in vivo confocal reflectance microscopy of basal cell carcinoma . J Am Acad Dermatol. 2002;47:869–874.

10. Horn M, Gerger A, Ahlgrimm–Siess V. Discrimination of actinic keratoses from normal skin with reflectance mode confocal microscopy . Dermatol Surg. 2008;34:620–625.

11. Pellacani G, Guitera P. The impact of in vivo reflectance confocal microscopy for the diagnostic accuracy of melanoma and equivocal melanocytic lesi** . J Invest Dermatol. 2007;127:2759–2765.

12. Ulrich M, Maltusch A, Rowert–Huber J. Actinic keratoses: non–invasive diagnosis for field cancerisation . Br J Dermatol . 2007;156:13–17.

13. Gerger A, Hofman–Wellenhof R, Samonigg H. In vivo confocal laser scanning microscopy in the diagnosis of melanocytic skin tumors . British Journal of Dermatology. 2009

14. Langley RG, Rajadhyaksha M. Confocal scanning laser microscopy of benign and malignant melanocytic skin lesi** in vivo . J Am Acad Dermatol . 2001;45:365–376.

15. Segura S, Puig S, Carrera C. Development of a two-step method for the diagnosis of melanoma by reflectance confocal microscopy . Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology. 2009;61(2)

16. Pan ZY, Yan F, Zhang ZH, Zhang QA, Xiang LH, Zheng ZZ. In vivo reflectance confocal microscopy for the differential diagnosis between vitiligo and nevus depigmentosus. Int J Dermatol. 2011 Jun;50(6):740-5

17、Kang HY, le Duff F, Passeron T, Lacour JP, Ortonne JP, Bahadoran P. A noninvasive technique, reflectance confocal microscopy, for the characterization of melanocyte loss in untreated and treated vitiligo lesi**. J Am Acad Dermatol. 2010 Nov;63(5):e97-100.

18、Reflectance confocal microscopy for pigmentary disorders. Kang HY, Bahadoran P, Ortonne JP. Exp Dermatol. 2010 Mar;19(3):233-9. Epub 2009 Nov 2. Review.

19 Ardigo M, Malizewsky I, Dell'anna ML, Berardesca E, Picardo M. Preliminary evaluation of vitiligo using in vivo reflectance confocal microscopy. J Eur Acad Dermatol Venereol. 2007 Nov;21(10):1344-50.





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发表于 2011-7-26 23:04:39 | 显示全部楼层
开眼了,谢谢博士,就喜欢您关于专业的详细介绍和分析,逻辑性极强,条理清楚,娓娓道来,让小弟这个外行也能认认真真地看完,又增长了好多见识(上面有一篇文章的联合作者居然是给我照伍德灯的年轻博士医生,没想到人家居然跟着教授在国际权威杂志发表论文了,那个汗那呵呵),欢迎今后多多讲解前沿专业论文主要内容您辛苦了

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-27 00:29:13 | 显示全部楼层
我说过,设备本身是好东西,用的好坏在于个人。
wood灯误诊的病人也不少,为什么不否定wood灯呢,皮肤CT能看到细胞水平的变化,这是wood灯所不具备的。
皮肤CT这个东西在国外应用将近20年了,初期主要集中于皮肤肿瘤方面的研究,近年来在炎症性皮肤病领域逐渐拓宽,国内引进不过5年,实践的过程中,误诊也是可以理解的。即使病理也不总是对的,对吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-27 00:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
该图显示的典型的白癜风稳定期的皮肤CT图像,界限清晰。当然没有受过训练的人看的也是一头雾水,毕竟视野里面是黑白的,不认识的结构。
个人认为迄今,皮肤CT是对色素性皮肤病最好的鉴别手段。
皮肤CT和组织病理学一样,对读片的医生要求较高,否则出现误诊也不罕见。就像同一个病理图,不同层次的医生诊断不一样。
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发表于 2011-7-27 00:48:59 | 显示全部楼层
皮肤CT毕竟现在用的医院少,操作经验丰富的人相对也少,可能误诊率也就高些;不像伍德灯,目前应用得更广泛些,有操作经验的人也更多些,误诊率会相对会小很多吧,一个尚处于引进不久、摸索实践的阶段,一个已广泛应用、趋于成熟,也难免会有所分歧,感觉这个皮肤CT还是要深入应用和普及,提高操作者的专业技能和确诊率才会更有力度,为人更广泛地接受吧!毕竟很多地方的医院都没有,很多病友也都没有尝试过,当然也希望能有更多更好的确诊办法问世,以及好的治疗方法,造福咱们BB患者!

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-27 00:59:35 | 显示全部楼层
不瞒大家,本人是国内第一个用这项技术的人,感觉好难,呵呵。
总是被老专家们不认可,认为没有任何价值。或者言之:反正也取代不了病理。
这其实是皮肤科医生所欠缺的,影像学的概念。
内科医生习惯了B超、x线和CT来筛查病人,发现问题后,还是要通过手术取出病变组织经病理最终确诊。
但多数皮肤科医生没有影像的概念,习惯了相信自己的眼睛。皮肤科医生说反正皮肤CT也取代不了病理,有什么价值啊。内科医生就没有问X线也取代不了病理这种问题的。

皮肤CT在皮肤科的应用定位:
1 常规筛查,针对表皮和真皮浅层疾病进行无创筛查,我们每天都能筛查出和临床医生诊断不一致的疾病,很有意思。
2 为临床诊断、鉴别诊断或排除诊断提供高价值的线索,例如患者临床表现为白斑,皮肤CT发现色素未缺失,那就不能诊断白癜风。
3 为皮肤病的动态随访或疾病演变提供无创成像的工具。
4 为某些皮肤病的无创分型服务,例如确定**的组织分型,亦或是色素痣的种类等;
5 为组织病理学取材前的定位。
以上这么多可以应用的领域,不知道大家是否觉得这玩意儿还有些价值?
再说白癜风,我第一个帖子就提到了3个用途,其中两个是wood灯无法实现的。

国际上,本项技术研究的如火如荼,近年来侧重诊断标准的研究,先后建立了系列皮肤病的皮肤CT诊断标准,出版了标准图谱,发表论文300余篇,已经越来越广泛的被发达国家所认可。5月份韩国世界皮肤科会议上有幸见到了皮肤 CT研究领域国际上最有名的几位专家,建立了比较好的合作关系。
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发表于 2011-7-27 01:24:54 | 显示全部楼层
终于有机会看到了学术研讨,膜拜,希望更多好方法不断问世,早日攻克BB,辛苦博士们了

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刘博士我现在用308照白癜风一段时间了,我想问问皮肤ct对白癜风皮损区域色素恢复情况能不能检查一下?看看现在恢复怎么样了,
              

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-27 08:34:24 | 显示全部楼层
白癜风皮损复色一般是两种模式最多见:一种是边缘处正常皮肤色素向皮损生长,一种是皮损内毛囊周围色素再生。可以通过皮肤CT判断色素再生情况。在wood灯出现黑点之前皮肤CT即可发现黑素细胞再生情况。
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我在杭州三院做过皮肤CT,也照过伍德灯,都说是BB,多希望不是啊

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真好,论坛里还有这么多专业的讨论,真是长见识了。我在想,在论坛里混久了,受了这么多熏陶,也许哪天自己也可以变成BB医生哈

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